Comments on: The imperfect movie http://joannejacobs.com/2004/01/31/the-imperfect-movie/ Free-linking and thinking on education by Joanne Jacobs Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:44:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Anne Haight http://joannejacobs.com/2004/01/31/the-imperfect-movie/#comment-6805 Anne Haight Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:14:08 +0000 http://joannejacobsblog.com/2004/01/31/the-imperfect-movie/#comment-6805 I don't think I would be able to suspend my disbelief that it's even possible to cheat on the SAT in that way. And one of these kids is motivated by his desire to go to the same college as his girlfriend? OMG teenage drama! I don’t think I would be able to suspend my disbelief that it’s even possible to cheat on the SAT in that way.

And one of these kids is motivated by his desire to go to the same college as his girlfriend? OMG teenage drama!

]]> By: PJ/Maryland http://joannejacobs.com/2004/01/31/the-imperfect-movie/#comment-6804 PJ/Maryland Sun, 01 Feb 2004 23:08:02 +0000 http://joannejacobsblog.com/2004/01/31/the-imperfect-movie/#comment-6804 Ross (and IS), My dad was an architect, but I don't know that much about the field. I know you have to be certified in whichever state you want to practice in, and only certified architects can sign off on building plans. Realistically, the bar exam is simply a way to keep the number of lawyers down; it has very little to do with being a good lawyer. I think the CPA exams (aren't there like 6 of them or something?) are more job-related. Even so, you could probably pass them all (eventually) and still be a lousy CPA. My guess is that the architectural certification tests are more ike the CPA tests than the bar exam. At least your CPA friend isn't a sexist in hiring people to cheat for him... Ross (and IS),

My dad was an architect, but I don’t know that much about the field. I know you have to be certified in whichever state you want to practice in, and only certified architects can sign off on building plans.

Realistically, the bar exam is simply a way to keep the number of lawyers down; it has very little to do with being a good lawyer. I think the CPA exams (aren’t there like 6 of them or something?) are more job-related. Even so, you could probably pass them all (eventually) and still be a lousy CPA. My guess is that the architectural certification tests are more ike the CPA tests than the bar exam.

At least your CPA friend isn’t a sexist in hiring people to cheat for him…

]]> By: Ross http://joannejacobs.com/2004/01/31/the-imperfect-movie/#comment-6803 Ross Sun, 01 Feb 2004 20:39:40 +0000 http://joannejacobsblog.com/2004/01/31/the-imperfect-movie/#comment-6803 Insufficiently Sensitive, Just out of curiosity, do you believe that there are no architects who are totally without talent but they have worked their way through the system via cheating, connections, just generally working the system? I don't know any architects so I am not offering an opinion either way but I have known people who cheated on the bar exam and the CPA exam and got away with it. Well, the guy who had someone take the CPA exam for him kind of succeeded. He hired someone who failed the test the first time and then he had his wife take the test for him the next time. She dressed as a man and was not caught until she had to go to the bathroom. She forgot and went to the women's room. Insufficiently Sensitive,
Just out of curiosity, do you believe that there are no architects who are totally without talent but they have worked their way through the system via cheating, connections, just generally working the system? I don’t know any architects so I am not offering an opinion either way but I have known people who cheated on the bar exam and the CPA exam and got away with it. Well, the guy who had someone take the CPA exam for him kind of succeeded. He hired someone who failed the test the first time and then he had his wife take the test for him the next time. She dressed as a man and was not caught until she had to go to the bathroom. She forgot and went to the women’s room.

]]> By: Insufficiently Sensitive http://joannejacobs.com/2004/01/31/the-imperfect-movie/#comment-6802 Insufficiently Sensitive Sun, 01 Feb 2004 17:07:03 +0000 http://joannejacobsblog.com/2004/01/31/the-imperfect-movie/#comment-6802 Sorry David, but architects never take responsibility for the structural integrity of their buildings. Their licenses don't permit it. They hire licensed structural engineers whose seal on the design plans gives them lifetime liability. Without passing their engineering classes AND doing responsible professional work under close supervision AND passing the State licensing examination (sure, go ahead, invent a scenario where all that can be merrily cheated throughout), the bullshit artists will never achieve that license. Sorry David, but architects never take responsibility for the structural integrity of their buildings. Their licenses don’t permit it. They hire licensed structural engineers whose seal on the design plans gives them lifetime liability. Without passing their engineering classes AND doing responsible professional work under close supervision AND passing the State licensing examination (sure, go ahead, invent a scenario where all that can be merrily cheated throughout), the bullshit artists will never achieve that license.

]]> By: jeff wright http://joannejacobs.com/2004/01/31/the-imperfect-movie/#comment-6801 jeff wright Sun, 01 Feb 2004 02:59:42 +0000 http://joannejacobsblog.com/2004/01/31/the-imperfect-movie/#comment-6801 Yeah, like a kid who scores an honest 1020 on the SAT is going to cheat to get a 1430 and then somehow fool his profs at Cornell. I guess people really think the SAT has no relationship to intelligence. News flash: it does. I like David's scenario, but I don't think it's a winner, although WRT the other kid, I'd sure cheat to avoid the alternative. Think I'll pass on this movie. Yeah, like a kid who scores an honest 1020 on the SAT is going to cheat to get a 1430 and then somehow fool his profs at Cornell. I guess people really think the SAT has no relationship to intelligence. News flash: it does. I like David’s scenario, but I don’t think it’s a winner, although WRT the other kid, I’d sure cheat to avoid the alternative.

Think I’ll pass on this movie.

]]> By: David Foster http://joannejacobs.com/2004/01/31/the-imperfect-movie/#comment-6800 David Foster Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:11:52 +0000 http://joannejacobsblog.com/2004/01/31/the-imperfect-movie/#comment-6800 Alternate ending: He succeeds in getting into architecture school, and cheats his way through (especially in structural engineering class). He then sets up an architectural practice and finally designs his first major building. It collapses, killing his girlfriend (now wife), who was unfortunate enough to be in it at the time.... Alternate ending: He succeeds in getting into architecture school, and cheats his way through (especially in structural engineering class). He then sets up an architectural practice and finally designs his first major building. It collapses, killing his girlfriend (now wife), who was unfortunate enough to be in it at the time….

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