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		<title>By: hoodia patch</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2004/08/31/tantrum/#comment-17906</link>
		<dc:creator>hoodia patch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;hoodia patch&lt;/strong&gt;

He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare 
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<p>He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare</p>
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		<title>By: tbar</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2004/08/31/tantrum/#comment-17905</link>
		<dc:creator>tbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2004 23:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grandmothers arrested ( and jailed ) for driving TOO SLOWLEY...!! Eight year olds arrested ( and jailed ) for temper tantrums ...!! Your government extols the virtues of American "FREEDOM" around the world( at the expense of American servicemens' lives )...!! God bless you folks - but surely its time to question who EXACTLY is enjoying this "FREEDOM"....?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grandmothers arrested ( and jailed ) for driving TOO SLOWLEY&#8230;!! Eight year olds arrested ( and jailed ) for temper tantrums &#8230;!! Your government extols the virtues of American &#8220;FREEDOM&#8221; around the world( at the expense of American servicemens&#8217; lives )&#8230;!! God bless you folks - but surely its time to question who EXACTLY is enjoying this &#8220;FREEDOM&#8221;&#8230;.?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2004/08/31/tantrum/#comment-17904</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2004 13:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tA,

Sorry!  This (if the story is correct) was not proper.  Period!</description>
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<p>Sorry!  This (if the story is correct) was not proper.  Period!</p>
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		<title>By: theAmericanist</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2004/08/31/tantrum/#comment-17903</link>
		<dc:creator>theAmericanist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2004 19:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reality check: I'VE called the cops on a kid who was misbehaving in school. He was 9 years old.

I don't know anything about this case, beyond what JJ says about it and the story. I don't think anybody else posting here does, either.

But I do know from personal experience that some of the most emotionally disturbed, apparently unable to control themselves kids can suddenly control their actions when confronted with a real alternative that they don't like.  

Kids can get in the habit of accepting, even expecting negative consequences.  Disrupting class, violence toward peers and teachers -- those are all ways to control a situation.  When it becomes genuine violence -- even for kids who are WAY too young -- they need to know that they can't  get away at 16 with the stuff they've been doing at 12... or 9. 

I dunno about you guys, but I wouldn't want to  read in the paper that an ex-student of mine was killed by the police at 16 when he acted toward cops at a traffic stop the way he acted toward me over his homework.

I've had to physically restrain a kid who was trying to hurt me (kick, punch, bit, stab), giving every sign of being utterly out of control ... and I've seen that same kid freeze in mid kick, when another adult told him, flat out, that if he struck HER, she'd have him arrested and charged with assault.

In perhaps the most macho moment of my life, I called the cops on this same kid one day -- and had two female cops show up -- to show the kid his choice was simple: he behaved, or he got cuffs put on him and got in the back seat. His parents (frequently called to the school; no change in his behavior) would have to pick him up from jail. 

It worked. Dis those who've faced the choice if you want -- but don't be so sure it was the wrong choice, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reality check: I&#8217;VE called the cops on a kid who was misbehaving in school. He was 9 years old.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know anything about this case, beyond what JJ says about it and the story. I don&#8217;t think anybody else posting here does, either.</p>
<p>But I do know from personal experience that some of the most emotionally disturbed, apparently unable to control themselves kids can suddenly control their actions when confronted with a real alternative that they don&#8217;t like.  </p>
<p>Kids can get in the habit of accepting, even expecting negative consequences.  Disrupting class, violence toward peers and teachers &#8212; those are all ways to control a situation.  When it becomes genuine violence &#8212; even for kids who are WAY too young &#8212; they need to know that they can&#8217;t  get away at 16 with the stuff they&#8217;ve been doing at 12&#8230; or 9. </p>
<p>I dunno about you guys, but I wouldn&#8217;t want to  read in the paper that an ex-student of mine was killed by the police at 16 when he acted toward cops at a traffic stop the way he acted toward me over his homework.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had to physically restrain a kid who was trying to hurt me (kick, punch, bit, stab), giving every sign of being utterly out of control &#8230; and I&#8217;ve seen that same kid freeze in mid kick, when another adult told him, flat out, that if he struck HER, she&#8217;d have him arrested and charged with assault.</p>
<p>In perhaps the most macho moment of my life, I called the cops on this same kid one day &#8212; and had two female cops show up &#8212; to show the kid his choice was simple: he behaved, or he got cuffs put on him and got in the back seat. His parents (frequently called to the school; no change in his behavior) would have to pick him up from jail. </p>
<p>It worked. Dis those who&#8217;ve faced the choice if you want &#8212; but don&#8217;t be so sure it was the wrong choice, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Bard</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2004/08/31/tantrum/#comment-17902</link>
		<dc:creator>Bard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2004 21:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now all the child's family needs is John Edwards as trial lawyer, and one of those coaches who trains children to have false sex abuse memories.  They should be able to convert an annoying child's temper tantrum into a lifetime meal ticket.  And they thought he'd never amount to anything.

"You see they took me in a back room that was dark with metal toilets and sinks, and they did mean things with animals and circus clowns and men in space suits . . . ."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now all the child&#8217;s family needs is John Edwards as trial lawyer, and one of those coaches who trains children to have false sex abuse memories.  They should be able to convert an annoying child&#8217;s temper tantrum into a lifetime meal ticket.  And they thought he&#8217;d never amount to anything.</p>
<p>&#8220;You see they took me in a back room that was dark with metal toilets and sinks, and they did mean things with animals and circus clowns and men in space suits . . . .&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2004/08/31/tantrum/#comment-17901</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poet,

Are you sure you don't want to implicate Cheney and Halliburton too?  Quick!  Was that Karl Rove in the corner????   :)</description>
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<p>Are you sure you don&#8217;t want to implicate Cheney and Halliburton too?  Quick!  Was that Karl Rove in the corner????   <img src='http://joannejacobs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: dipnut</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2004/08/31/tantrum/#comment-17900</link>
		<dc:creator>dipnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Espanola is a crazy place.  Espanola jokes are a mainstay of northern New Mexico regional humor.

Q: What do you call a guy in Espanola, walking down the street with a sheep under each arm?  A: A pimp.

A couple from Espanola drove out to the countryside on a date.  They parked, and things got hot and heavy.  Pretty soon the girl said, "Oh Juan, kiss me in the dirty place".  So he drove her back to Espanola.

There are many more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Espanola is a crazy place.  Espanola jokes are a mainstay of northern New Mexico regional humor.</p>
<p>Q: What do you call a guy in Espanola, walking down the street with a sheep under each arm?  A: A pimp.</p>
<p>A couple from Espanola drove out to the countryside on a date.  They parked, and things got hot and heavy.  Pretty soon the girl said, &#8220;Oh Juan, kiss me in the dirty place&#8221;.  So he drove her back to Espanola.</p>
<p>There are many more.</p>
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		<title>By: poet</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2004/08/31/tantrum/#comment-17899</link>
		<dc:creator>poet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2004 18:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RP I submit to you that if one or more police officers have been "dumbed down" to the point that they willingly arrest a third grader, handcuff and take him to jail and make degrading comments to the child as well, then that alone is indication of a society teetering on chaos.

We have a President saying one thing one day, another thing the next.  He knows the populace is so "dumbed down" that no one will make much of a fuss because no one really understands what is REALLY happening in their neighborhood, let alone national politics.  Combine that with arresting a third grader and anyone can see that the wise have left or better be leaving now for the hills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RP I submit to you that if one or more police officers have been &#8220;dumbed down&#8221; to the point that they willingly arrest a third grader, handcuff and take him to jail and make degrading comments to the child as well, then that alone is indication of a society teetering on chaos.</p>
<p>We have a President saying one thing one day, another thing the next.  He knows the populace is so &#8220;dumbed down&#8221; that no one will make much of a fuss because no one really understands what is REALLY happening in their neighborhood, let alone national politics.  Combine that with arresting a third grader and anyone can see that the wise have left or better be leaving now for the hills.</p>
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		<title>By: RP</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2004/08/31/tantrum/#comment-17898</link>
		<dc:creator>RP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with Poet, above.  I don't see this as a metaphor for the destruction of our civilization.  That said, I'd be curious to know on what charge the police thought they could arrest him on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with Poet, above.  I don&#8217;t see this as a metaphor for the destruction of our civilization.  That said, I&#8217;d be curious to know on what charge the police thought they could arrest him on.</p>
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		<title>By: poet</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2004/08/31/tantrum/#comment-17897</link>
		<dc:creator>poet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frightening.  A stark testimony on the state of affairs in the bankrupt states of the USA.  Our infrastructure is falling apart and the more we ignore the question of race relations, the worse it will become.

The supremacist elite think that the minorities will self-destruct and go swirling down the drain, but little do they realize that the vortex of the drainage will take them down as well.   We are better together and loving each other than apart and despising each other.

This empire will not last another decade before crashing beneath financial market economic disaster because of corporate greed and a hedonistic typhoon because of the decision to make moral relativism the order of the day.

Chicken Little this is not...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frightening.  A stark testimony on the state of affairs in the bankrupt states of the USA.  Our infrastructure is falling apart and the more we ignore the question of race relations, the worse it will become.</p>
<p>The supremacist elite think that the minorities will self-destruct and go swirling down the drain, but little do they realize that the vortex of the drainage will take them down as well.   We are better together and loving each other than apart and despising each other.</p>
<p>This empire will not last another decade before crashing beneath financial market economic disaster because of corporate greed and a hedonistic typhoon because of the decision to make moral relativism the order of the day.</p>
<p>Chicken Little this is not&#8230;</p>
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