Comments on: Good teaching for poor kids http://joannejacobs.com/2006/05/04/good-teaching-for-poor-kids/ Free-linking and thinking on education by Joanne Jacobs Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:48:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Indigo Warrior http://joannejacobs.com/2006/05/04/good-teaching-for-poor-kids/#comment-31953 Indigo Warrior Mon, 08 May 2006 23:49:29 +0000 http://joannejacobsblog.com/2006/05/04/good-teaching-for-poor-kids/#comment-31953 Nancy D: <i>Did Howard Gardner steal his idea for the Multiple Intelligence crap from Dungeons and Dragons character sheets? It makes so much sense now! Actually, D and D might make more sense and probably has more educational value.</i> This also explains why small-c communists hate Dungeons and Dragons so much. D&D is too "elitist" for their tastes, and even has moral absolutes. Nancy D:
Did Howard Gardner steal his idea for the Multiple Intelligence crap from Dungeons and Dragons character sheets? It makes so much sense now! Actually, D and D might make more sense and probably has more educational value.

This also explains why small-c communists hate Dungeons and Dragons so much. D&D is too “elitist” for their tastes, and even has moral absolutes.

]]> By: nailsagainsttheboard http://joannejacobs.com/2006/05/04/good-teaching-for-poor-kids/#comment-31952 nailsagainsttheboard Sat, 06 May 2006 15:10:02 +0000 http://joannejacobsblog.com/2006/05/04/good-teaching-for-poor-kids/#comment-31952 A lot of common sense isn't backed up by 'research' (esp.in the faux 'social sciences). I attended a Ruby Payne conference in San Diego, and heard lots of interesting info to share with my colleagues. There are all kinds of poverty, only one of which is economic. The worst kinds are spiritual and intellectual poverty, which cuts across all socioeconomic levels, and the patterns continue through generations of families. Good pedagogy and high expectations are the answer, not political correctness. A lot of common sense isn’t backed up by ‘research’ (esp.in the faux ’social sciences). I attended a Ruby Payne conference in San Diego, and heard lots of interesting info to share with my colleagues. There are all kinds of poverty, only one of which is economic. The worst kinds are spiritual and intellectual poverty, which cuts across all socioeconomic levels, and the patterns continue through generations of families. Good pedagogy and high expectations are the answer, not political correctness.

]]> By: Nancy D http://joannejacobs.com/2006/05/04/good-teaching-for-poor-kids/#comment-31951 Nancy D Fri, 05 May 2006 23:11:38 +0000 http://joannejacobsblog.com/2006/05/04/good-teaching-for-poor-kids/#comment-31951 I NEVER thought of that. Did Howard Gardner steal his idea for the Multiple Intelligence crap from Dungeons and Dragons character sheets? It makes so much sense now! Actually, D and D might make more sense and probably has more educational value. I NEVER thought of that. Did Howard Gardner steal his idea for the Multiple Intelligence crap from Dungeons and Dragons character sheets? It makes so much sense now!

Actually, D and D might make more sense and probably has more educational value.

]]> By: Michael E. Lopez, Esq. http://joannejacobs.com/2006/05/04/good-teaching-for-poor-kids/#comment-31950 Michael E. Lopez, Esq. Fri, 05 May 2006 13:48:19 +0000 http://joannejacobsblog.com/2006/05/04/good-teaching-for-poor-kids/#comment-31950 Yes, indeed. I'm not dead. I just stopped blogging for, shall we say, various reasons. How goes? -Michael Yes, indeed. I’m not dead. I just stopped blogging for, shall we say, various reasons.

How goes?

-Michael

]]> By: Darren http://joannejacobs.com/2006/05/04/good-teaching-for-poor-kids/#comment-31949 Darren Thu, 04 May 2006 22:48:24 +0000 http://joannejacobsblog.com/2006/05/04/good-teaching-for-poor-kids/#comment-31949 Michael Lopez of Welcome to Highered Ed? Michael Lopez of Welcome to Highered Ed?

]]> By: Michael E. Lopez, Esq. http://joannejacobs.com/2006/05/04/good-teaching-for-poor-kids/#comment-31948 Michael E. Lopez, Esq. Thu, 04 May 2006 14:44:58 +0000 http://joannejacobsblog.com/2006/05/04/good-teaching-for-poor-kids/#comment-31948 That's actually a really interesting theory... I wish the rest of the article wasn't behind a subscription barrier, but them's the breaks. I do think that it's undeniable that by the time a kid is five or six years old, his or her brain has undergone major changes since birth, and that those changes are in great part dictated by the kid's environment. It does stand to reason that kids who are raised in extremely verbal households, surrounded by books and computers and symbols and conversations they can't quite understand but which have a certain level of sophistication to them are going to have brains better at interpreting symbols. I don't know about the "relationships" crap though... people are always trying to avoid making judgments by saying "Oh well, she's a hands-on learner, while he's a visual/aural learner" or "He's really good with symbols but she's good with relationships." I think the truth is closer to "He's way smarter than her and she's only progressed to the hands-on learning stage" or "He's way smarter than her and while they're both good with relationships, he's also good with symbols." It's not an either-or proposition when you are talking about intelligences or capacities. Some people just don't have as many points in the great D&D character sheet of life. That’s actually a really interesting theory… I wish the rest of the article wasn’t behind a subscription barrier, but them’s the breaks.

I do think that it’s undeniable that by the time a kid is five or six years old, his or her brain has undergone major changes since birth, and that those changes are in great part dictated by the kid’s environment. It does stand to reason that kids who are raised in extremely verbal households, surrounded by books and computers and symbols and conversations they can’t quite understand but which have a certain level of sophistication to them are going to have brains better at interpreting symbols.

I don’t know about the “relationships” crap though… people are always trying to avoid making judgments by saying “Oh well, she’s a hands-on learner, while he’s a visual/aural learner” or “He’s really good with symbols but she’s good with relationships.”

I think the truth is closer to “He’s way smarter than her and she’s only progressed to the hands-on learning stage” or “He’s way smarter than her and while they’re both good with relationships, he’s also good with symbols.”

It’s not an either-or proposition when you are talking about intelligences or capacities. Some people just don’t have as many points in the great D&D character sheet of life.

]]> By: Darren http://joannejacobs.com/2006/05/04/good-teaching-for-poor-kids/#comment-31947 Darren Thu, 04 May 2006 12:47:53 +0000 http://joannejacobsblog.com/2006/05/04/good-teaching-for-poor-kids/#comment-31947 While some of the things she mentions seem reasonable, there's just enough Lisa Delpit in there to turn me off. I've posted about Delpit's work at http://rightontheleftcoast.blogspot.com/2005/10/social-justice-cultural-competence-etc.html While some of the things she mentions seem reasonable, there’s just enough Lisa Delpit in there to turn me off. I’ve posted about Delpit’s work at
http://rightontheleftcoast.blogspot.com/2005/10/social-justice-cultural-competence-etc.html

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