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		<title>By: Indigo Warrior</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2006/09/30/busy-and-happy/#comment-33827</link>
		<dc:creator>Indigo Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom West:

I am indeed male.

&lt;i&gt;(And the kind of child whose family has the wealth and push to get their child involved in lots of activities already has several of the markers for success.)&lt;/i&gt;

Most of these markers have been set in place long before the child's birth.  Read "Freakonomics", by Levitt and Dubner.

outback71:

&lt;i&gt;I suspect that involvment in organized activities reflects having parents who are engaged in their child. It's that engagement which makes the difference.&lt;/i&gt;

It's the synergistic combination of passion on part of the children and engagement/support on the part of parents that works the best.  Parents who conscript their reluctant kids into photogenic activities are just making them resentful.  It has to be something meaningful to the children.  I know of a few talented teens whose "organized" activities are Star Trek conventions and Pokemon tournaments - not violin lessons or ballet or soccer.  Are they fated to be any less successful?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom West:</p>
<p>I am indeed male.</p>
<p><i>(And the kind of child whose family has the wealth and push to get their child involved in lots of activities already has several of the markers for success.)</i></p>
<p>Most of these markers have been set in place long before the child&#8217;s birth.  Read &#8220;Freakonomics&#8221;, by Levitt and Dubner.</p>
<p>outback71:</p>
<p><i>I suspect that involvment in organized activities reflects having parents who are engaged in their child. It&#8217;s that engagement which makes the difference.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s the synergistic combination of passion on part of the children and engagement/support on the part of parents that works the best.  Parents who conscript their reluctant kids into photogenic activities are just making them resentful.  It has to be something meaningful to the children.  I know of a few talented teens whose &#8220;organized&#8221; activities are Star Trek conventions and Pokemon tournaments - not violin lessons or ballet or soccer.  Are they fated to be any less successful?</p>
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		<title>By: Sigivald</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2006/09/30/busy-and-happy/#comment-33826</link>
		<dc:creator>Sigivald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly. I suspect strongly that kids with good grades, high self-esteem, and a good relationship with their parents are &lt;i&gt;more likely to desire and acquire&lt;/i&gt; such activities.

Kids who do poorly in school are, after all, more likely to be pressured to spend that time studying.

Kids with low self-esteem aren't likely to want to do such things.

Kids with poor relationships with their parents are less likely, I think, to get &lt;i&gt;permission&lt;/i&gt; or, at least, the other support like rides and expenditures, related to such things.

At least, though, this study does tell us that having a lot of activities doesn't make kids have lower grades, lower self-esteem, and bad relationships with their parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. I suspect strongly that kids with good grades, high self-esteem, and a good relationship with their parents are <i>more likely to desire and acquire</i> such activities.</p>
<p>Kids who do poorly in school are, after all, more likely to be pressured to spend that time studying.</p>
<p>Kids with low self-esteem aren&#8217;t likely to want to do such things.</p>
<p>Kids with poor relationships with their parents are less likely, I think, to get <i>permission</i> or, at least, the other support like rides and expenditures, related to such things.</p>
<p>At least, though, this study does tell us that having a lot of activities doesn&#8217;t make kids have lower grades, lower self-esteem, and bad relationships with their parents.</p>
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		<title>By: outback71</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2006/09/30/busy-and-happy/#comment-33825</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 12:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that involvment in organized activities reflects having parents who are engaged in their child.  It's that engagement which makes the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that involvment in organized activities reflects having parents who are engaged in their child.  It&#8217;s that engagement which makes the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom West</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2006/09/30/busy-and-happy/#comment-33824</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 11:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Repeat after me: "Correlation is not causation".

I strongly suspect that Mr. (Ms.?) Warrior is right, the kind of kid who enjoys the activities involved in a busy schedule is likely to succeed.  (And the kind of child whose family has the wealth and push to get their child involved in lots of activities already has several of the markers for success.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Repeat after me: &#8220;Correlation is not causation&#8221;.</p>
<p>I strongly suspect that Mr. (Ms.?) Warrior is right, the kind of kid who enjoys the activities involved in a busy schedule is likely to succeed.  (And the kind of child whose family has the wealth and push to get their child involved in lots of activities already has several of the markers for success.)</p>
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		<title>By: Indigo Warrior</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2006/09/30/busy-and-happy/#comment-33823</link>
		<dc:creator>Indigo Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Children who have some sort of passion, whether "organized" or not, are the ones who succeed.  Parents who act as a draft board are doing their kids no favor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Children who have some sort of passion, whether &#8220;organized&#8221; or not, are the ones who succeed.  Parents who act as a draft board are doing their kids no favor.</p>
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