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		<title>By: Hard work + student discipline = school success &#171; Madison Parents&#8217; School Safety Site</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2007/01/16/up-from-compton/#comment-38004</link>
		<dc:creator>Hard work + student discipline = school success &#171; Madison Parents&#8217; School Safety Site</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;A School Finds A Singular Road to Academic Success,&#8221; Los Angeles Times, January 14, 2007 (via Joanne Jacobs). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;A School Finds A Singular Road to Academic Success,&#8221; Los Angeles Times, January 14, 2007 (via Joanne Jacobs). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2007/01/16/up-from-compton/#comment-37982</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Improving education in underperforming schools requires a three-legged stool when it comes to administration:

Vision
Support/Training
Accountability

It looks like this school has all three - bravo and encouraging news!Often, however, teachers (and then, by extension, students) are hit over the head with just one leg - accountability. Accountability is crucial, but without vision (state and federal mandates, by the way, are not vision) and support and training of teachers (who responds well to criticism from an administrator via email or a once-in-a-three-to-four-month "visit"?) are equally crucial. With only two, you have a wobbly stool at best. 

Accountability is the darling of most teacher critics - and by itself, it becomes a club rather than one of three legs. It\'s a great tool for hitting - over the head, below the belt, and in the gut - but not so impressive for enacting meaningful change. Personally, I strive to establish these three legs on a stool for myself - but obviously it would work better if administration worked to establish and maintain all three.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Improving education in underperforming schools requires a three-legged stool when it comes to administration:</p>
<p>Vision<br />
Support/Training<br />
Accountability</p>
<p>It looks like this school has all three - bravo and encouraging news!Often, however, teachers (and then, by extension, students) are hit over the head with just one leg - accountability. Accountability is crucial, but without vision (state and federal mandates, by the way, are not vision) and support and training of teachers (who responds well to criticism from an administrator via email or a once-in-a-three-to-four-month &#8220;visit&#8221;?) are equally crucial. With only two, you have a wobbly stool at best. </p>
<p>Accountability is the darling of most teacher critics - and by itself, it becomes a club rather than one of three legs. It\&#8217;s a great tool for hitting - over the head, below the belt, and in the gut - but not so impressive for enacting meaningful change. Personally, I strive to establish these three legs on a stool for myself - but obviously it would work better if administration worked to establish and maintain all three.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Profe</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2007/01/16/up-from-compton/#comment-37980</link>
		<dc:creator>Miss Profe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This â€œten-point programâ€ has been around forever. Remember, in your own post, just two paragraphs up, you wrote that it was common sense. If itâ€™s common sense then thereâ€™s got to be some widely applicable reason why it isnâ€™t used.

Any guesses?

Perhaps because it demands too much? Too hard to do?  Most aren't going to do what requires too much; most do what is easiest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This â€œten-point programâ€ has been around forever. Remember, in your own post, just two paragraphs up, you wrote that it was common sense. If itâ€™s common sense then thereâ€™s got to be some widely applicable reason why it isnâ€™t used.</p>
<p>Any guesses?</p>
<p>Perhaps because it demands too much? Too hard to do?  Most aren&#8217;t going to do what requires too much; most do what is easiest.</p>
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		<title>By: allen</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2007/01/16/up-from-compton/#comment-37958</link>
		<dc:creator>allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 01:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this isn't all that complicated because I'm not all that smart but what's the motivation of the principal in the school down the street to try to replicate? It had better be pride because it sure isn't going to be anything else.

&lt;b&gt;wmartin46 wrote:&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Certainly giving this straightforward ten-point program a chance would seem to be the first step in a get-well program for failing schools.&lt;/i&gt;

This "ten-point program" has been around forever. Remember, in your own post, just two paragraphs up, you wrote that it was common sense. If it's common sense then there's got to be some widely applicable reason why it isn't used.

Any guesses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this isn&#8217;t all that complicated because I&#8217;m not all that smart but what&#8217;s the motivation of the principal in the school down the street to try to replicate? It had better be pride because it sure isn&#8217;t going to be anything else.</p>
<p><b>wmartin46 wrote:</b></p>
<p><i>Certainly giving this straightforward ten-point program a chance would seem to be the first step in a get-well program for failing schools.</i></p>
<p>This &#8220;ten-point program&#8221; has been around forever. Remember, in your own post, just two paragraphs up, you wrote that it was common sense. If it&#8217;s common sense then there&#8217;s got to be some widely applicable reason why it isn&#8217;t used.</p>
<p>Any guesses?</p>
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		<title>By: Twill00</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2007/01/16/up-from-compton/#comment-37957</link>
		<dc:creator>Twill00</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 01:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's nothing wrong with this list.  It is a specific set of product instructions based upon basic manufacturing principles.

To produce anything -

1) Determine what you have as an input.
2) Determine what you product want to make.
3) Determine what changes you will make on the input to create the product.
4) List those changes in order.
5) Execute those changes in order, testing to see whether the items have been changed correctly at each step.

You have to choose the measurement interval based upon the kind of changes you are making and the point at which those changes have to be made to keep from scrapping the work.  (IE you have to fix the shape of the clay before you bake it).

In the case of students, weekly is probably a fair first approximation.  If a particular student needs help more often, I'm sure they will get it under a system that actually cares about weekly performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with this list.  It is a specific set of product instructions based upon basic manufacturing principles.</p>
<p>To produce anything -</p>
<p>1) Determine what you have as an input.<br />
2) Determine what you product want to make.<br />
3) Determine what changes you will make on the input to create the product.<br />
4) List those changes in order.<br />
5) Execute those changes in order, testing to see whether the items have been changed correctly at each step.</p>
<p>You have to choose the measurement interval based upon the kind of changes you are making and the point at which those changes have to be made to keep from scrapping the work.  (IE you have to fix the shape of the clay before you bake it).</p>
<p>In the case of students, weekly is probably a fair first approximation.  If a particular student needs help more often, I&#8217;m sure they will get it under a system that actually cares about weekly performance.</p>
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		<title>By: wmartin46</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2007/01/16/up-from-compton/#comment-37946</link>
		<dc:creator>wmartin46</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frequently we hear: â€œwe should study the schools that work and replicate that formulaâ€ (particularly from media wags).  Well, hereâ€™s a school that seems to work (even works well), and whose â€œformulaâ€ might even fit on an 8"x11" piece of paper.  The "formula" is almost all common sense, and clearly can be implemented with no additional state/federal funds.  Further, it would seem that this â€œformulaâ€ would not even need much state oversight, since with NCLB states now are testing and every schoolâ€™s tests are up for review at local/county/state/federal levels already.

Principal Mikara Solomon Davis could be interviewed (on video) and that video made available over the NET, so that others could get a sense of who this person is, and how she responded to problems implementing this program.

Certainly giving this straightforward ten-point program a chance would seem to be the first step in a get-well program for failing schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frequently we hear: â€œwe should study the schools that work and replicate that formulaâ€ (particularly from media wags).  Well, hereâ€™s a school that seems to work (even works well), and whose â€œformulaâ€ might even fit on an 8&#8243;x11&#8243; piece of paper.  The &#8220;formula&#8221; is almost all common sense, and clearly can be implemented with no additional state/federal funds.  Further, it would seem that this â€œformulaâ€ would not even need much state oversight, since with NCLB states now are testing and every schoolâ€™s tests are up for review at local/county/state/federal levels already.</p>
<p>Principal Mikara Solomon Davis could be interviewed (on video) and that video made available over the NET, so that others could get a sense of who this person is, and how she responded to problems implementing this program.</p>
<p>Certainly giving this straightforward ten-point program a chance would seem to be the first step in a get-well program for failing schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Aubrey</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2007/01/16/up-from-compton/#comment-37941</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is embarrassing.  It will have to stop.</description>
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		<title>By: allen</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2007/01/16/up-from-compton/#comment-37934</link>
		<dc:creator>allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the list indicates clearly the vital role played by the district administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the list indicates clearly the vital role played by the district administration.</p>
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		<title>By: Moira</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2007/01/16/up-from-compton/#comment-37932</link>
		<dc:creator>Moira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading the list you posted I was struck at how much of this is already being done at the schools my kids go to. Maybe that's why I like them so much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading the list you posted I was struck at how much of this is already being done at the schools my kids go to. Maybe that&#8217;s why I like them so much!</p>
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