Comments on: Stevens: Tie the tubes http://joannejacobs.com/2007/02/15/stevens-tie-the-tubes/ Free-linking and thinking on education by Joanne Jacobs Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:30:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: In defense of Julie Amero at Joanne Jacobs http://joannejacobs.com/2007/02/15/stevens-tie-the-tubes/#comment-40050 In defense of Julie Amero at Joanne Jacobs Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:33:09 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2007/02/15/stevens-tie-the-tubes/#comment-40050 [...] Stevens: Tie the tubes [...] [...] Stevens: Tie the tubes [...]

]]> By: markm http://joannejacobs.com/2007/02/15/stevens-tie-the-tubes/#comment-39852 markm Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:36:39 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2007/02/15/stevens-tie-the-tubes/#comment-39852 Twilloo: I have to assume that the DA managed to exclude everyone who knew anything at all about computers from the jury. And lots of defense attorneys don't know how to conduct a trial... Twilloo: I have to assume that the DA managed to exclude everyone who knew anything at all about computers from the jury. And lots of defense attorneys don’t know how to conduct a trial…

]]> By: Twill00 http://joannejacobs.com/2007/02/15/stevens-tie-the-tubes/#comment-39843 Twill00 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:24:14 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2007/02/15/stevens-tie-the-tubes/#comment-39843 I would really like to know how the police technical guy determined that it was the substitute teacher who clicked the mouse to get onto the porn site. Fingerprints? A competent defense attorney should have been able to tear that one apart. I would really like to know how the police technical guy determined that it was the substitute teacher who clicked the mouse to get onto the porn site. Fingerprints?

A competent defense attorney should have been able to tear that one apart.

]]> By: Chris http://joannejacobs.com/2007/02/15/stevens-tie-the-tubes/#comment-39763 Chris Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:45:00 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2007/02/15/stevens-tie-the-tubes/#comment-39763 Miller Smith writes: > Now no one wants to have the computer. not so certain that this is a good measure of success. For instance replace "illicit content" with "illicit book" and "computer" with "library" just to calibrate. Miller Smith writes:
> Now no one wants to have the computer.

not so certain that this is a good measure of success. For instance replace “illicit content” with “illicit book” and “computer” with “library” just to calibrate.

]]> By: Indigo Warrior http://joannejacobs.com/2007/02/15/stevens-tie-the-tubes/#comment-39757 Indigo Warrior Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:51:51 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2007/02/15/stevens-tie-the-tubes/#comment-39757 In a case such as this, there is little that schools or teachers can do to make sure only the "good side", as defined by <I>someone</I>, of the Web gets through onto school computers. Perhaps the idea of cutting off all students' internet access for any violation is the best one. It sure beats making the teacher into a scapegoat over something which she has no power. (Though in the Connecticut case, if the student happened to be a skinny 16 year old white male in a black trenchcoat downloading material on guns and bombs - the outcome would have been very different.) The parents are to blame. Not all parents, but a hysterical minority so paranoid about porn, or drugs, or violence and "hate", or Satan or other forms of religious unorthodoxy, or whatever <I>bete du jour</I> comes into their little minds. I'm not saying any of this stuff is good, but its badness must be taken into perspective. Are modern children so sexually hung-up that a glimpse of a woman's bare breasts on a web site would make them into the next John Wayne Gacy? These types of parents are usually the ones who snuck a copy of Playboy or the Bhagavad-Gita in their lockers during their school time. And they also overestimate the harm done by bad-things-on-media (books, games, internet, movies, music) and understimate bad-things-done-in-person. In a case such as this, there is little that schools or teachers can do to make sure only the “good side”, as defined by someone, of the Web gets through onto school computers. Perhaps the idea of cutting off all students’ internet access for any violation is the best one. It sure beats making the teacher into a scapegoat over something which she has no power.

(Though in the Connecticut case, if the student happened to be a skinny 16 year old white male in a black trenchcoat downloading material on guns and bombs - the outcome would have been very different.)

The parents are to blame. Not all parents, but a hysterical minority so paranoid about porn, or drugs, or violence and “hate”, or Satan or other forms of religious unorthodoxy, or whatever bete du jour comes into their little minds. I’m not saying any of this stuff is good, but its badness must be taken into perspective. Are modern children so sexually hung-up that a glimpse of a woman’s bare breasts on a web site would make them into the next John Wayne Gacy? These types of parents are usually the ones who snuck a copy of Playboy or the Bhagavad-Gita in their lockers during their school time. And they also overestimate the harm done by bad-things-on-media (books, games, internet, movies, music) and understimate bad-things-done-in-person.

]]> By: ricki http://joannejacobs.com/2007/02/15/stevens-tie-the-tubes/#comment-39749 ricki Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:55:17 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2007/02/15/stevens-tie-the-tubes/#comment-39749 In my (university) department, we closed the computer lab for several days when students were caught downloading pornographic content on it. We have a "use policy" that I understand all the students are issued, and there are certain things (like using the Internet to threaten people, downloading porn or malicious software onto campus computers, etc.,) that are grounds for the students being banned from the computers. But when people still violate those rules, we found that cutting EVERYONE off for a few days seemed to help...positive peer pressure can be a good thing. I dunno. I don't think it's too much to ban a student from using computers if they've been shown to be abusing the privelige. If it means they have to find a typewriter to work up their essays, so be it. (Or campuses could have some old grotty computers with word processing software but no Internet capability.) In my (university) department, we closed the computer lab for several days when students were caught downloading pornographic content on it.

We have a “use policy” that I understand all the students are issued, and there are certain things (like using the Internet to threaten people, downloading porn or malicious software onto campus computers, etc.,) that are grounds for the students being banned from the computers.

But when people still violate those rules, we found that cutting EVERYONE off for a few days seemed to help…positive peer pressure can be a good thing.

I dunno. I don’t think it’s too much to ban a student from using computers if they’ve been shown to be abusing the privelige. If it means they have to find a typewriter to work up their essays, so be it. (Or campuses could have some old grotty computers with word processing software but no Internet capability.)

]]> By: wayne martin http://joannejacobs.com/2007/02/15/stevens-tie-the-tubes/#comment-39728 wayne martin Fri, 16 Feb 2007 03:05:05 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2007/02/15/stevens-tie-the-tubes/#comment-39728 > Amero now faces up to 40 years of jail time for pornographic > pop-ups that appeared on a computer she was using in a > classroom—pop-ups that she and her lawyers argue were > a result of spy and adware on the computer, out-of-date > virus software, and an expired firewall license—the perfect > storm for pornographic pop-ups, all on a Windows 98 > machine running Internet Explorer 5. And there are those who wonder why intelligent, rational, capable people don’t want to teach in the public school system. To make this even more maddening is that there are many libraries which will not install filters, claiming that the libraries support free speech—including pornography. It would be very interesting to learn how this incident came to the attention of the District Attorney’s Office and why the DA chose to prosecute this substitute teacher. > Amero now faces up to 40 years of jail time for pornographic
> pop-ups that appeared on a computer she was using in a
> classroom—pop-ups that she and her lawyers argue were
> a result of spy and adware on the computer, out-of-date
> virus software, and an expired firewall license—the perfect
> storm for pornographic pop-ups, all on a Windows 98
> machine running Internet Explorer 5.

And there are those who wonder why intelligent, rational, capable people don’t want to teach in the public school system. To make this even more maddening is that there are many libraries which will not install filters, claiming that the libraries support free speech—including pornography.

It would be very interesting to learn how this incident came to the attention of the District Attorney’s Office and why the DA chose to prosecute this substitute teacher.

]]> By: Miller Smith http://joannejacobs.com/2007/02/15/stevens-tie-the-tubes/#comment-39722 Miller Smith Fri, 16 Feb 2007 02:10:07 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2007/02/15/stevens-tie-the-tubes/#comment-39722 In PG County, MD, we were told back in the 2001-2002 school year that the teacher was respondsible for any illicit content that showed up on a screen. We have a good firewall but he kids know how to use proxy servers to get around it. They are good at that. When I caught kids doing this I cut them off for the rest of the year from the internet. I boot the computers for the day and then pull the router's power supply and ethernet cables so we can use them for programs on the computer...and nothing else. Now no one wants to have the computer. In PG County, MD, we were told back in the 2001-2002 school year that the teacher was respondsible for any illicit content that showed up on a screen. We have a good firewall but he kids know how to use proxy servers to get around it. They are good at that.

When I caught kids doing this I cut them off for the rest of the year from the internet. I boot the computers for the day and then pull the router’s power supply and ethernet cables so we can use them for programs on the computer…and nothing else.

Now no one wants to have the computer.

]]> By: allen http://joannejacobs.com/2007/02/15/stevens-tie-the-tubes/#comment-39721 allen Fri, 16 Feb 2007 02:09:41 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2007/02/15/stevens-tie-the-tubes/#comment-39721 I suppose Senator Stevens doesn't know about the rapid proliferation of municipal wireless broadband projects. I wonder how he proposes to tie off that pipe when access becomes ubiquitous? I suppose Senator Stevens doesn’t know about the rapid proliferation of municipal wireless broadband projects. I wonder how he proposes to tie off that pipe when access becomes ubiquitous?

]]> By: Top Places » New Update on Networking-tech.info http://joannejacobs.com/2007/02/15/stevens-tie-the-tubes/#comment-39717 Top Places » New Update on Networking-tech.info Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:05:21 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2007/02/15/stevens-tie-the-tubes/#comment-39717 [...] Stevens: Tie the tubesAlaska Sen. Ted Stevens, who thinks the Internet is a “series of tubes,” wants the feds to require schools and libraries to ban access to interactive sites , such as MySpace ” and possibly Wikipedia and blogs. Computerworld reports: Early in……………….Read newest networking computers related news here……. [...] [...] Stevens: Tie the tubesAlaska Sen. Ted Stevens, who thinks the Internet is a “series of tubes,” wants the feds to require schools and libraries to ban access to interactive sites , such as MySpace ” and possibly Wikipedia and blogs. Computerworld reports: Early in……………….Read newest networking computers related news here……. [...]

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