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	<description>Free-linking and thinking on education by Joanne Jacobs</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/03/07/art-or-reading/#comment-72058</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if we still have arts classes, they are definitely being marginalized, as are other types of electives.  In our high school, we are gearing up for another round of testing.  In my one trimester Advanced Drama class, we will have 13-15 days where at least one group of students will be gone doing one type of testing or another.  The school is judged on the results of those tests, so the disruption of a class that isn't part of the state testing program is of very low priority.  I'm trying to teach a 12 week drama class in about 10 weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if we still have arts classes, they are definitely being marginalized, as are other types of electives.  In our high school, we are gearing up for another round of testing.  In my one trimester Advanced Drama class, we will have 13-15 days where at least one group of students will be gone doing one type of testing or another.  The school is judged on the results of those tests, so the disruption of a class that isn&#8217;t part of the state testing program is of very low priority.  I&#8217;m trying to teach a 12 week drama class in about 10 weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Vital Core</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/03/07/art-or-reading/#comment-71956</link>
		<dc:creator>Vital Core</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>allen,

&lt;i&gt;It has, you just have to know where to look for it&lt;/i&gt;

Thanks for the link. Interesting article.

I should have been clearer: by free market, I mean where the government pays a set amount, say half what we are spending now, and lets the parents spend it on education however they wish (within reason), setting their own standards for how they want their children educated. In this case, it wouldn't take long for the schools to start delivering a serious product the parents want. Much like a grocery store, where everyone starts with the same cash.

The schools in the link you provided are not paid for by the government at all...&lt;i&gt;In each location, the private schools are run largely by proprietors, with very few receiving outside philanthropic support and none receiving state funding&lt;/i&gt; and they also are not in the United States, so it's tough to know how the data correlates. 

Interesting stuff, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>allen,</p>
<p><i>It has, you just have to know where to look for it</i></p>
<p>Thanks for the link. Interesting article.</p>
<p>I should have been clearer: by free market, I mean where the government pays a set amount, say half what we are spending now, and lets the parents spend it on education however they wish (within reason), setting their own standards for how they want their children educated. In this case, it wouldn&#8217;t take long for the schools to start delivering a serious product the parents want. Much like a grocery store, where everyone starts with the same cash.</p>
<p>The schools in the link you provided are not paid for by the government at all&#8230;<i>In each location, the private schools are run largely by proprietors, with very few receiving outside philanthropic support and none receiving state funding</i> and they also are not in the United States, so it&#8217;s tough to know how the data correlates. </p>
<p>Interesting stuff, though.</p>
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		<title>By: allen</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/03/07/art-or-reading/#comment-71949</link>
		<dc:creator>allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 12:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62; The system itself must be changed to a true free-market (something that hasnâ€™t been done anywehre yet),

It has, you just have to know where to look for it: http://tinyurl.com/ygyjfx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; The system itself must be changed to a true free-market (something that hasnâ€™t been done anywehre yet),</p>
<p>It has, you just have to know where to look for it: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ygyjfx" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ygyjfx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vital Core</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/03/07/art-or-reading/#comment-71892</link>
		<dc:creator>Vital Core</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Iâ€™d like to see schools with lots of disadvantaged children extend their days&lt;/i&gt;

This is like Boxer in Animal Farm: I will work harder! But if my memory serves, he ends up overstraining himself, collapsing, and being carted off to be made into glue.

Just like the communism Animal Farm was mocking, public education cannot be fixed by working longer or harder. The system itself must be changed to a true free-market (something that hasn't been done anywehre yet), or at best we will only see minor and temporary improvements, that quickly revert back to the status quo.

The Education Politburo didn't get the 1989 Berlin Wall memo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Iâ€™d like to see schools with lots of disadvantaged children extend their days</i></p>
<p>This is like Boxer in Animal Farm: I will work harder! But if my memory serves, he ends up overstraining himself, collapsing, and being carted off to be made into glue.</p>
<p>Just like the communism Animal Farm was mocking, public education cannot be fixed by working longer or harder. The system itself must be changed to a true free-market (something that hasn&#8217;t been done anywehre yet), or at best we will only see minor and temporary improvements, that quickly revert back to the status quo.</p>
<p>The Education Politburo didn&#8217;t get the 1989 Berlin Wall memo.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/03/07/art-or-reading/#comment-71884</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>substance is importance ... isn't this actually the "big draw attention" in reality.    A teacher worth one's salt is incorporating those items in the curriculum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>substance is importance &#8230; isn&#8217;t this actually the &#8220;big draw attention&#8221; in reality.    A teacher worth one&#8217;s salt is incorporating those items in the curriculum.</p>
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		<title>By: Andromeda</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/03/07/art-or-reading/#comment-71869</link>
		<dc:creator>Andromeda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of whether schools *have* cut back on these things, a lot of the people I encounter *think* they have.  Many parents are concerned that the local schools don't spend much time on specials, and the lower school admissions officer at the school where I work touts our extensive specials program to prospective parents (apparently it is one of the most appealing elements of our curriculum).

I do think substance is more important than people's perceptions, but I also think that one of the salutary effects of school competition is that schools have to think about how to appeal to families, and how to position themselves in the market.  So if people have this *perception* that there's not enough art, schools do have to engage with that perception in some way, and insofar as they do so (especially traditional public schools, which tend to be less responsive to the idea of competition and marketing than charters or privates), I think that's a good thing.  Again, the substance is *more* important, but if schools are consciously appealing to community priorities rather than just taking it for granted that they get to educate everyone, that's a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of whether schools *have* cut back on these things, a lot of the people I encounter *think* they have.  Many parents are concerned that the local schools don&#8217;t spend much time on specials, and the lower school admissions officer at the school where I work touts our extensive specials program to prospective parents (apparently it is one of the most appealing elements of our curriculum).</p>
<p>I do think substance is more important than people&#8217;s perceptions, but I also think that one of the salutary effects of school competition is that schools have to think about how to appeal to families, and how to position themselves in the market.  So if people have this *perception* that there&#8217;s not enough art, schools do have to engage with that perception in some way, and insofar as they do so (especially traditional public schools, which tend to be less responsive to the idea of competition and marketing than charters or privates), I think that&#8217;s a good thing.  Again, the substance is *more* important, but if schools are consciously appealing to community priorities rather than just taking it for granted that they get to educate everyone, that&#8217;s a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Groundhog&#8217;s Day at The Core Knowledge Blog</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/03/07/art-or-reading/#comment-71867</link>
		<dc:creator>Groundhog&#8217;s Day at The Core Knowledge Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] narrowing.Â  It&#8217;s happening&#8230;it&#8217;s not happening&#8230;it&#8217;s happening, butÂ the problem isÂ overstated.Â  The edusphere eruptsÂ over whether a reported 16% of schools cutting art for more reading and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] narrowing.Â  It&#8217;s happening&#8230;it&#8217;s not happening&#8230;it&#8217;s happening, butÂ the problem isÂ overstated.Â  The edusphere eruptsÂ over whether a reported 16% of schools cutting art for more reading and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Spongebob Squarepants &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Art or reading?</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/03/07/art-or-reading/#comment-71864</link>
		<dc:creator>Spongebob Squarepants &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Art or reading?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: EquMath: Math Lessons &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Art or reading?</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/03/07/art-or-reading/#comment-71862</link>
		<dc:creator>EquMath: Math Lessons &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Art or reading?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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