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	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Richard Brandshaft</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/04/28/still-a-public-menace/#comment-74659</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Brandshaft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the sad facts of human nature is that it is harder to forgive people for being right than it is to forgive people for being wring.

I was born a few weeks after Pearl Harbor.  By time I was old enough to notice such things, the WW II pacifists had been forgiven.   They were just head-in-the-clouds idealists whose laudable ideals didn't fit the real world.   A pacifist could not have been elected to national office.   (Or any office, so far as I know.)   But no one was still beating on them 30 years later.

At the time, I thought the Vietnam war was a good idea, for the reasons given at the time.   Looking back 30 years later, I see an American jihad, America protecting its state religion -- capitalism -- from the Marxist hearsay.  In any case, the result is that we killed 3 million people for nothing.

The Vietnam war protesters were RIGHT.   Those of us -- "us" includes me -- who acquiesced in the war were WRONG.   Naturally, we can't forgive them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the sad facts of human nature is that it is harder to forgive people for being right than it is to forgive people for being wring.</p>
<p>I was born a few weeks after Pearl Harbor.  By time I was old enough to notice such things, the WW II pacifists had been forgiven.   They were just head-in-the-clouds idealists whose laudable ideals didn&#8217;t fit the real world.   A pacifist could not have been elected to national office.   (Or any office, so far as I know.)   But no one was still beating on them 30 years later.</p>
<p>At the time, I thought the Vietnam war was a good idea, for the reasons given at the time.   Looking back 30 years later, I see an American jihad, America protecting its state religion &#8212; capitalism &#8212; from the Marxist hearsay.  In any case, the result is that we killed 3 million people for nothing.</p>
<p>The Vietnam war protesters were RIGHT.   Those of us &#8212; &#8220;us&#8221; includes me &#8212; who acquiesced in the war were WRONG.   Naturally, we can&#8217;t forgive them.</p>
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		<title>By: instructivist</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/04/28/still-a-public-menace/#comment-74631</link>
		<dc:creator>instructivist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a lot of background info on the Obama-Ayers role in the Annenberg Challenge here:

 http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/04/just-fact-check.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot of background info on the Obama-Ayers role in the Annenberg Challenge here:</p>
<p> <a href="http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/04/just-fact-check.html" rel="nofollow">http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/04/just-fact-check.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: instructivist</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/04/28/still-a-public-menace/#comment-74628</link>
		<dc:creator>instructivist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's weird that Obama mischaracterized Ayers' field during the ABC debate. Obama should know very well that Ayers is a force in education (I hate to say that he is a Distinguished Professor of Education) since Ayers was deeply involved in the so-called Annenberg Challenge in which Obama played an active role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s weird that Obama mischaracterized Ayers&#8217; field during the ABC debate. Obama should know very well that Ayers is a force in education (I hate to say that he is a Distinguished Professor of Education) since Ayers was deeply involved in the so-called Annenberg Challenge in which Obama played an active role.</p>
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		<title>By: Reality Czech</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/04/28/still-a-public-menace/#comment-74605</link>
		<dc:creator>Reality Czech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe you meant to write "&lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=arrant" rel="nofollow"&gt;arrant&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt; nonsense".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe you meant to write &#8220;<i><a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=arrant" rel="nofollow">arrant</a></i> nonsense&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: allen</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/04/28/still-a-public-menace/#comment-74599</link>
		<dc:creator>allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is gratifying to know that his daily existence is dependent on the nation he would've destroyed without a thought, he didn't accomplish any of the goals he set out to accomplish with his bombs, he's viewed as an anachronism in the same light as a reconstructed dinosaur - once truly dangerous but now merely an outline, a schematic - and that his greatest accomplishment was to become a member of the bourgeois that he once disdained. 

It's also fitting that he became an ed school prof. He can continue to spout errant nonsense, produce nothing of value, not be held to account for his spoutings or valuelessness and still arrogate to himself the belief that he's molding the minds of those who'll be molding the minds of tomorrow's leaders. And, he's getting paid to do it when one would think the self-indulgence he's enjoying would require that he pay the college.

Is this a great country or what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is gratifying to know that his daily existence is dependent on the nation he would&#8217;ve destroyed without a thought, he didn&#8217;t accomplish any of the goals he set out to accomplish with his bombs, he&#8217;s viewed as an anachronism in the same light as a reconstructed dinosaur - once truly dangerous but now merely an outline, a schematic - and that his greatest accomplishment was to become a member of the bourgeois that he once disdained. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also fitting that he became an ed school prof. He can continue to spout errant nonsense, produce nothing of value, not be held to account for his spoutings or valuelessness and still arrogate to himself the belief that he&#8217;s molding the minds of those who&#8217;ll be molding the minds of tomorrow&#8217;s leaders. And, he&#8217;s getting paid to do it when one would think the self-indulgence he&#8217;s enjoying would require that he pay the college.</p>
<p>Is this a great country or what?</p>
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		<title>By: BadaBing</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/04/28/still-a-public-menace/#comment-74585</link>
		<dc:creator>BadaBing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Ayers! What a card! Sure he wanted to blow things up, kill people and remake the world in his own image, but everybody feels like doing that when he's only 22 or so. Why hold it against him now? Let's not rush to judgment about the man. After all, he tells funny jokes and serves great food in between anti-American indoctrination sessions at the taxpayers' expense. Doesn't that make up for a lot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Ayers! What a card! Sure he wanted to blow things up, kill people and remake the world in his own image, but everybody feels like doing that when he&#8217;s only 22 or so. Why hold it against him now? Let&#8217;s not rush to judgment about the man. After all, he tells funny jokes and serves great food in between anti-American indoctrination sessions at the taxpayers&#8217; expense. Doesn&#8217;t that make up for a lot?</p>
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		<title>By: SuperSub</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/04/28/still-a-public-menace/#comment-74573</link>
		<dc:creator>SuperSub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Yes, I bet heâ€™s a blast!"

I wonder how many of his jokes are bombs...

That being said, I don't understand how someone who essentially declared war on the US is allowed to live free within our borders? According to his own tellings of his exploits, he should be holed up in some cave in Pakistan next to Osama.

As for Rev. Wright's comments, the man has no idea how close he is to effectively justifying all the racist stereotypes of blacks that were used to support slavery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yes, I bet heâ€™s a blast!&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder how many of his jokes are bombs&#8230;</p>
<p>That being said, I don&#8217;t understand how someone who essentially declared war on the US is allowed to live free within our borders? According to his own tellings of his exploits, he should be holed up in some cave in Pakistan next to Osama.</p>
<p>As for Rev. Wright&#8217;s comments, the man has no idea how close he is to effectively justifying all the racist stereotypes of blacks that were used to support slavery.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Aubrey</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/04/28/still-a-public-menace/#comment-74567</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess this explains certain things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess this explains certain things.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Nieporent</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/04/28/still-a-public-menace/#comment-74566</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Nieporent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;apparently heâ€™s a very funny, engaging guy.&lt;/I&gt;

Yes, I bet he's a blast!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>apparently heâ€™s a very funny, engaging guy.</i></p>
<p>Yes, I bet he&#8217;s a blast!</p>
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		<title>By: Rebeccat</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/04/28/still-a-public-menace/#comment-74554</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebeccat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sister had Ayers as a professor at UIC a couple of years ago.  She was told by another ed student that Ayers had a past, but that she shouldn't look into it until the course was finished or it would ruin the class for her.  She took the advice and enjoyed the class.  She said Ayers was a lot of fun and had the class to his house for a meal.  She also said she didn't learn much of anything useful in his or any education class she took at UIC.  
We've been laughing about how her "close association" with Ayers will now preclude her from seeking public office.  I mean what does it say about her that she would go to his house and eat his food?  Any reasonably, patriotic American would surely have stormed out of his class in disgust - better to take a bad grade than associate with him!  
Of course, now she knows what he did and is disgusted by it.  She was disgusted by a good deal of what he taught as well.  but I bet she'd still eat his food and listen to him talk - apparently he's a very funny, engaging guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sister had Ayers as a professor at UIC a couple of years ago.  She was told by another ed student that Ayers had a past, but that she shouldn&#8217;t look into it until the course was finished or it would ruin the class for her.  She took the advice and enjoyed the class.  She said Ayers was a lot of fun and had the class to his house for a meal.  She also said she didn&#8217;t learn much of anything useful in his or any education class she took at UIC.<br />
We&#8217;ve been laughing about how her &#8220;close association&#8221; with Ayers will now preclude her from seeking public office.  I mean what does it say about her that she would go to his house and eat his food?  Any reasonably, patriotic American would surely have stormed out of his class in disgust - better to take a bad grade than associate with him!<br />
Of course, now she knows what he did and is disgusted by it.  She was disgusted by a good deal of what he taught as well.  but I bet she&#8217;d still eat his food and listen to him talk - apparently he&#8217;s a very funny, engaging guy.</p>
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