Comments on: Union vetoes extra pay for AP teachers http://joannejacobs.com/2008/05/05/union-vetoes-extra-pay-for-ap-teachers/ Free-linking and thinking on education by Joanne Jacobs Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:12:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: The Problem With Unions at Hispanic Pundit http://joannejacobs.com/2008/05/05/union-vetoes-extra-pay-for-ap-teachers/#comment-75052 The Problem With Unions at Hispanic Pundit Thu, 08 May 2008 07:36:38 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2008/05/05/union-vetoes-extra-pay-for-ap-teachers/#comment-75052 [...] our abysmal math and science public education directly on the teachers unions. Joanne Jacobs has more. Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and [...] [...] our abysmal math and science public education directly on the teachers unions. Joanne Jacobs has more. Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and [...]

]]> By: Andy Freeman http://joannejacobs.com/2008/05/05/union-vetoes-extra-pay-for-ap-teachers/#comment-75021 Andy Freeman Wed, 07 May 2008 16:23:19 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2008/05/05/union-vetoes-extra-pay-for-ap-teachers/#comment-75021 Mike needs to learn how to read. No one is claiming that the union didn't have the legal right to block these efforts to improve public education. Instead, we're pointing out: (1) This is yet another example of teachers preferring their benefits over education. They have the right to have that preference, but it's fair to point out that they do, especially since they claim otherwise in other situations. (Note that this program didn't actually threaten anyone's benefits - these payments were extra, they weren't taken from one teacher and given to another.) (2) The folks who are upset the the contract got in the way should be upset with the folks who demanded that the contract take precedent. The union had the right to block this program, but it wasn't obligated to do so. Mike needs to learn how to read. No one is claiming that the union didn’t have the legal right to block these efforts to improve public education.

Instead, we’re pointing out:
(1) This is yet another example of teachers preferring their benefits over education. They have the right to have that preference, but it’s fair to point out that they do, especially since they claim otherwise in other situations. (Note that this program didn’t actually threaten anyone’s benefits - these payments were extra, they weren’t taken from one teacher and given to another.)
(2) The folks who are upset the the contract got in the way should be upset with the folks who demanded that the contract take precedent. The union had the right to block this program, but it wasn’t obligated to do so.

]]> By: Ragnarok http://joannejacobs.com/2008/05/05/union-vetoes-extra-pay-for-ap-teachers/#comment-74985 Ragnarok Wed, 07 May 2008 04:23:10 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2008/05/05/union-vetoes-extra-pay-for-ap-teachers/#comment-74985 Mike'n'Taxes said: <i>"The rest of you would flunk any logic class, and would certainly fail at being attorneys."</i> !!! Mike’n'Taxes said:

“The rest of you would flunk any logic class, and would certainly fail at being attorneys.”

!!!

]]> By: Mike http://joannejacobs.com/2008/05/05/union-vetoes-extra-pay-for-ap-teachers/#comment-74981 Mike Wed, 07 May 2008 02:41:25 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2008/05/05/union-vetoes-extra-pay-for-ap-teachers/#comment-74981 Cardinal Fang is the only one of you who thinks clearly. The rest of you would flunk any logic class, and would certainly fail at being attorneys. Cardinal Fang is the only one of you who thinks clearly. The rest of you would flunk any logic class, and would certainly fail at being attorneys.

]]> By: Andy Freeman http://joannejacobs.com/2008/05/05/union-vetoes-extra-pay-for-ap-teachers/#comment-74977 Andy Freeman Wed, 07 May 2008 01:06:31 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2008/05/05/union-vetoes-extra-pay-for-ap-teachers/#comment-74977 > A grantmaking organization dedicated to improving math and science teaching should not be in the business of reforming union contracts Fang seems to believe that the organization has some obligation to fix or work around union contracts. He's wrong. The organization's goal is to improve math and science teaching. If union contracts gets in the way, it's the job of the folks who like union contracts to either fix them or stand revealed as being more interested in their contract than in math and science teaching. Public school advocates consistently behave as if public school funding is the goal of public education. > A grantmaking organization dedicated to improving math and science teaching should not be in the business of reforming union contracts

Fang seems to believe that the organization has some obligation to fix or work around union contracts. He’s wrong. The organization’s goal is to improve math and science teaching.

If union contracts gets in the way, it’s the job of the folks who like union contracts to either fix them or stand revealed as being more interested in their contract than in math and science teaching.

Public school advocates consistently behave as if public school funding is the goal of public education.

]]> By: markm http://joannejacobs.com/2008/05/05/union-vetoes-extra-pay-for-ap-teachers/#comment-74971 markm Wed, 07 May 2008 00:21:51 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2008/05/05/union-vetoes-extra-pay-for-ap-teachers/#comment-74971 Cardinal Fang: The union contract <i>is</i> the problem. Cardinal Fang: The union contract is the problem.

]]> By: Elizabeth http://joannejacobs.com/2008/05/05/union-vetoes-extra-pay-for-ap-teachers/#comment-74951 Elizabeth Tue, 06 May 2008 17:20:28 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2008/05/05/union-vetoes-extra-pay-for-ap-teachers/#comment-74951 I'm a Wa State parent and am not surprised in the least. I know there are dedicated public school teachers, but the union and their biggest supporters are frankly socialistic and anti-intellectual. They also want to be seen as professionals, yet act like low-skilled widget turners. They can't have it both ways. After 3 mos in Wa Public Schools, we put our DD in private, and haven't looked back. We have paid property taxes on one or more properties at a time for the last 21 years, and currently pay over $10k/year. On top of that, we'll have to pay another $60K thru 12th grade for private school. Thank you, Washington State Education Establishment. Count on our "nays" for any and all future levies. I’m a Wa State parent and am not surprised in the least. I know there are dedicated public school teachers, but the union and their biggest supporters are frankly socialistic and anti-intellectual. They also want to be seen as professionals, yet act like low-skilled widget turners. They can’t have it both ways. After 3 mos in Wa Public Schools, we put our DD in private, and haven’t looked back. We have paid property taxes on one or more properties at a time for the last 21 years, and currently pay over $10k/year. On top of that, we’ll have to pay another $60K thru 12th grade for private school. Thank you, Washington State Education Establishment. Count on our “nays” for any and all future levies.

]]> By: anon http://joannejacobs.com/2008/05/05/union-vetoes-extra-pay-for-ap-teachers/#comment-74949 anon Tue, 06 May 2008 17:01:43 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2008/05/05/union-vetoes-extra-pay-for-ap-teachers/#comment-74949 Bravo, Dick! Exactly!! This type of action is why teaching will NEVER be a profession. Bravo, Dick! Exactly!!

This type of action is why teaching will NEVER be a profession.

]]> By: Omri http://joannejacobs.com/2008/05/05/union-vetoes-extra-pay-for-ap-teachers/#comment-74936 Omri Tue, 06 May 2008 12:43:19 +0000 http://joannejacobs.com/2008/05/05/union-vetoes-extra-pay-for-ap-teachers/#comment-74936 I'd take a pay cut to teach the AP kids... I’d take a pay cut to teach the AP kids…

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