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	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Fred Strine</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/07/06/stop-facilitating-and-start-teaching/#comment-79631</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Strine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Joanne, for opening this discussion of my article. Much of what passes for "new" in education is just recycled, turn-of-the-century (19th to 20th) John Dewey progressive (socialist) doctrineâ€”fine in theory (utopian) but short on reality given human imperfection. Public education AND politics keep hoping to guarantee equal outcomes. It ain't gonna happen. 

Carolyn is right on target. Good teaching really boils down to teacher-student rapport, a pre-requisite not restricted to ANY single method. Simply put, my article is an open rebellion against current rampant dogma. I was not free to teach my way, though test scores, student support, and parental support said I was an outstanding teacher. I chose to take the year off. Actually I am NOT retired, just temporarily fed up. Gee, does it show?
F.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Joanne, for opening this discussion of my article. Much of what passes for &#8220;new&#8221; in education is just recycled, turn-of-the-century (19th to 20th) John Dewey progressive (socialist) doctrineâ€”fine in theory (utopian) but short on reality given human imperfection. Public education AND politics keep hoping to guarantee equal outcomes. It ain&#8217;t gonna happen. </p>
<p>Carolyn is right on target. Good teaching really boils down to teacher-student rapport, a pre-requisite not restricted to ANY single method. Simply put, my article is an open rebellion against current rampant dogma. I was not free to teach my way, though test scores, student support, and parental support said I was an outstanding teacher. I chose to take the year off. Actually I am NOT retired, just temporarily fed up. Gee, does it show?<br />
F.S.</p>
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		<title>By: Right Said Fred at The Core Knowledge Blog</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/07/06/stop-facilitating-and-start-teaching/#comment-79630</link>
		<dc:creator>Right Said Fred at The Core Knowledge Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Post-Intelligencer column calling on teachers to, well, teach, set tongues wagging here and over at Joanne Jacobs.Â  He honors us with a visit in the comments section and a correction: He&#8217;s not retired, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Post-Intelligencer column calling on teachers to, well, teach, set tongues wagging here and over at Joanne Jacobs.Â  He honors us with a visit in the comments section and a correction: He&#8217;s not retired, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Carolynn</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/07/06/stop-facilitating-and-start-teaching/#comment-79616</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much of what we do in the classroom depends on teaching styles, learning styles and personalities. In order to have something to offer to all of the "learning styles" we must use a variety of presentations where and when they are appropriate. It is beneficial for students to learn to learn via a variety of methods.

However, I have seen some teachers try to use a method that has been very effective for someone else but it does not work for them. This could be because of the teacher's comfort level with the strategy, his/her personality, the comfort level of the students, their relationship with the teacher, inappropriate topic for the strategy etc.

Successful teaching/learning depends more on the relationships built between teacher and students. True respect, which is a two-way street, is developed not imposed. Without this element any strategy or method used will not be fully effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much of what we do in the classroom depends on teaching styles, learning styles and personalities. In order to have something to offer to all of the &#8220;learning styles&#8221; we must use a variety of presentations where and when they are appropriate. It is beneficial for students to learn to learn via a variety of methods.</p>
<p>However, I have seen some teachers try to use a method that has been very effective for someone else but it does not work for them. This could be because of the teacher&#8217;s comfort level with the strategy, his/her personality, the comfort level of the students, their relationship with the teacher, inappropriate topic for the strategy etc.</p>
<p>Successful teaching/learning depends more on the relationships built between teacher and students. True respect, which is a two-way street, is developed not imposed. Without this element any strategy or method used will not be fully effective.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Strine</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/07/06/stop-facilitating-and-start-teaching/#comment-79605</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Strine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Pondiscio's "quiver" reference is totally apropos. All great teachers understand this and use multi-faceted approaches. Too bad small minds in positions of authority often insist whatever the latest "research" shows is the "only" way to teach. Great teaching is an art form. It's rare, and it can't be cloned. Insisting that everyone "be on the same page" insures mediocrity. I'd rather have a shot at greatness and fall short (Who's perfect?) than to be an assembly-line teacher. New isn't always better, and it DOES take experience to learn that lesson.

      The Tree Syndrome
						
Firmly rooted in fertile research,  
The sapling sends no buds aloft.
Its destiny lies in the
Stunted undergrowth;
Its only acquaintancesâ€”
Scrub of similar stature.

Pity the life not knowing
The forest of towering oaks
To which it ought to aspire.

Fred Strine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Pondiscio&#8217;s &#8220;quiver&#8221; reference is totally apropos. All great teachers understand this and use multi-faceted approaches. Too bad small minds in positions of authority often insist whatever the latest &#8220;research&#8221; shows is the &#8220;only&#8221; way to teach. Great teaching is an art form. It&#8217;s rare, and it can&#8217;t be cloned. Insisting that everyone &#8220;be on the same page&#8221; insures mediocrity. I&#8217;d rather have a shot at greatness and fall short (Who&#8217;s perfect?) than to be an assembly-line teacher. New isn&#8217;t always better, and it DOES take experience to learn that lesson.</p>
<p>      The Tree Syndrome</p>
<p>Firmly rooted in fertile research,<br />
The sapling sends no buds aloft.<br />
Its destiny lies in the<br />
Stunted undergrowth;<br />
Its only acquaintancesâ€”<br />
Scrub of similar stature.</p>
<p>Pity the life not knowing<br />
The forest of towering oaks<br />
To which it ought to aspire.</p>
<p>Fred Strine</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Senechal</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/07/06/stop-facilitating-and-start-teaching/#comment-79574</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana Senechal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, in some ways your criticism is fair--but Fred Strine's article must be taken in context. He's responding not to a particular pedagogy, but rather (as I take it) to the extreme application of it. Some of us have heard the "guide on the side" mantra too many times and seen it enforced in ways that make no sense.

Robert Pondiscio put it well: "Itâ€™s rarely an issue of which approach is right or best, but rather how quickly it becomes standard operating procedure, no questions asked (or allowed)." His examples are to the point, and I could provide more.

Also, Strine is right about the danger of giving kids too much authority. They really do start to believe that their opinions are as good as anyone's. If their families teach respect for elders, they are likely to show such respect to teachers. If not, then they likely won't. The school must teach respect--and this does not happen overnight, nor does it happen when the kids are automatically set up facing each other.

Teachers must earn respect, some say. No--that's a different kind of respect. Teachers should have--and show--basic respect no matter what. Once that is established, the more profound respect can be built between student and teacher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, in some ways your criticism is fair&#8211;but Fred Strine&#8217;s article must be taken in context. He&#8217;s responding not to a particular pedagogy, but rather (as I take it) to the extreme application of it. Some of us have heard the &#8220;guide on the side&#8221; mantra too many times and seen it enforced in ways that make no sense.</p>
<p>Robert Pondiscio put it well: &#8220;Itâ€™s rarely an issue of which approach is right or best, but rather how quickly it becomes standard operating procedure, no questions asked (or allowed).&#8221; His examples are to the point, and I could provide more.</p>
<p>Also, Strine is right about the danger of giving kids too much authority. They really do start to believe that their opinions are as good as anyone&#8217;s. If their families teach respect for elders, they are likely to show such respect to teachers. If not, then they likely won&#8217;t. The school must teach respect&#8211;and this does not happen overnight, nor does it happen when the kids are automatically set up facing each other.</p>
<p>Teachers must earn respect, some say. No&#8211;that&#8217;s a different kind of respect. Teachers should have&#8211;and show&#8211;basic respect no matter what. Once that is established, the more profound respect can be built between student and teacher.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/07/06/stop-facilitating-and-start-teaching/#comment-79561</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect to Mr. Strine's years of experience as a teacher, in the article he comes across as a cranky old guy yelling at the kids to get off his lawn. And nowhere in the article is the concept that some pedagogies work better than others, and which works best depends on the subject, the level at which it's taught, and the individual abilities of students (and how those individual abilities mesh as a class). Teachers should know what tool is best for the job and be good at a variety of tools for each situation. I'm always surprised when experienced educators steer so wide of this painfully obvious fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect to Mr. Strine&#8217;s years of experience as a teacher, in the article he comes across as a cranky old guy yelling at the kids to get off his lawn. And nowhere in the article is the concept that some pedagogies work better than others, and which works best depends on the subject, the level at which it&#8217;s taught, and the individual abilities of students (and how those individual abilities mesh as a class). Teachers should know what tool is best for the job and be good at a variety of tools for each situation. I&#8217;m always surprised when experienced educators steer so wide of this painfully obvious fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Renee Moore</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/07/06/stop-facilitating-and-start-teaching/#comment-79525</link>
		<dc:creator>Renee Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 02:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Robert, for expressing my thoughts so succinctly. Sometimes it's teachers; more often its administrators or policy makers, who take an idea that has worked well for someone, somewhere and try to make it an eternal truth. 

False dichotomies have been too common in educational discussions: direct instruction vs. hands-on-learning; whole language vs. phonics; performance assessments vs. standardized tests.... It's refreshing to think (and act) in terms of a using a professional repertoire customized for audience and purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Robert, for expressing my thoughts so succinctly. Sometimes it&#8217;s teachers; more often its administrators or policy makers, who take an idea that has worked well for someone, somewhere and try to make it an eternal truth. </p>
<p>False dichotomies have been too common in educational discussions: direct instruction vs. hands-on-learning; whole language vs. phonics; performance assessments vs. standardized tests&#8230;. It&#8217;s refreshing to think (and act) in terms of a using a professional repertoire customized for audience and purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: BadaBing</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/07/06/stop-facilitating-and-start-teaching/#comment-79517</link>
		<dc:creator>BadaBing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I were one of those teachers that believed in group projects, peer-teaching, collaborative learning, more projects, student-centered learning, hands-on learning, and still more projects. I wouldn't be so exhausted at the end of the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I were one of those teachers that believed in group projects, peer-teaching, collaborative learning, more projects, student-centered learning, hands-on learning, and still more projects. I wouldn&#8217;t be so exhausted at the end of the day.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/07/06/stop-facilitating-and-start-teaching/#comment-79510</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a) focus teaching
b) collaboration
c) peer-teaching
d) none of the above</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a) focus teaching<br />
b) collaboration<br />
c) peer-teaching<br />
d) none of the above</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pondiscio</title>
		<link>http://joannejacobs.com/2008/07/06/stop-facilitating-and-start-teaching/#comment-79505</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pondiscio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's the missing ingredient in this conversation, if I may.  It's rarely an issue of which approach is right or best, but rather how quickly it becomes standard operating procedure, no questions asked (or allowed). This can take on cartoonish dimensions: a principal goes to a PD about hands-on learning on Friday, and on Monday, there's a memo insisting EVERY math lesson must include manipulatives.  Someone here's something about group work, and the next thing you know, you're written up if you have students sitting in rows.  Adopt the workshop model, and suddenly children can't possibly learn to read unless they're sitting on a rug. 

This is one of those classic disconnects between the research community and teachers.  There's not a good idea that doesn't become a bad idea the second it hardens into orthodoxy.  Having many arrows in your quiver, and learning when to pull each out, is the soul of good professional practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the missing ingredient in this conversation, if I may.  It&#8217;s rarely an issue of which approach is right or best, but rather how quickly it becomes standard operating procedure, no questions asked (or allowed). This can take on cartoonish dimensions: a principal goes to a PD about hands-on learning on Friday, and on Monday, there&#8217;s a memo insisting EVERY math lesson must include manipulatives.  Someone here&#8217;s something about group work, and the next thing you know, you&#8217;re written up if you have students sitting in rows.  Adopt the workshop model, and suddenly children can&#8217;t possibly learn to read unless they&#8217;re sitting on a rug. </p>
<p>This is one of those classic disconnects between the research community and teachers.  There&#8217;s not a good idea that doesn&#8217;t become a bad idea the second it hardens into orthodoxy.  Having many arrows in your quiver, and learning when to pull each out, is the soul of good professional practice.</p>
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